FW: bus stop = tesco loading bay
On my return from my hols, I find this on my e-mail – I wonder what happened?
From:Cllr Ben Khosa [mailto:...]
Sent: 14 August 2006 09:56
To: residents; simon chapman
Cc: ...; Elaine Capizzi; Nigel Cannings; Peter Mahnke; Cllr Philip Morgan; Cllr Geoff Acton
Subject: RE: bus stop = tesco loading bay
Simon
Sorry for not getting back to you but my understanding was Geoff Acton had been in touch and explained that this problem is on the agenda to be discussed this Thursday by Cabinet members. We will be in touch asap but rest assured the matter is in hand.
Regards
Cllr Ben Khosa
From:residents [mailto:...]
Sent: 13 August 2006 23:12
To: simon chapman; Cllr Ben Khosa
Cc: ...; Elaine Capizzi; Nigel Cannings; Peter Mahnke; Cllr Philip Morgan; Cllr Geoff Acton
Subject: Re: bus stop = tesco loading bay
Ben, further to Simon's comments.
I've tackled Tesco's Manager about this, and his answer is simple (according to what he's been told by Head Office).
They are sticking to their promise to the Council in that they have agreed that any Tesco vehicles will come during
the recommended delivery hours and be of an appropriate size. He maintains that if the vehicle doesn't say
'Tesco' on it, then it doesn't fall within the boundaries of the agreement - irrespective of whether it's making a delivery to the shop;
for example being the bread and milk delivery vehicles.
Harry (Jacobs)
----- Original Message -----
From:simon chapman
Cc:harry jacobs ; ... ; Elaine Capizzi ; Nigel Cannings ; Peter Mahnke ; Cllr Philip Morgan ; Cllr Geoffrey Acton
Sent:Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject:bus stop = tesco loading bay
Ben,
Re: our conversation last week, regarding the worsening tesco situation you said that the councillors were meeting to discuss the issue.
Could you please update us on the outcome of your meeting?
It seems that tesco head office continually give assurances to councillors/council officers that they are 'good neighbours' but as the attached pictures show they couldn't care less about St. Margarets. The recent usage of the bus stop and crossing as a loading bay has been because they have another of their own lorries using the loading bay. It seems to me that the only way to resolve the situation is to 'hit tesco in their pocket' if they break the law. The council should impose a fine of £1000 for any lorry unloading/waiting in the bus stop or better still why not ask tesco to give the council a cast iron guarantee that they will not use the crossing/bus stop as a waiting or loading bay and if they do they will voluntarily donate £1000 to local charities. The C.C.T.V. camera could be used to gather evidence.
Also, are you aware that the parking attendants that cover Crown road and surrounding roads do not have tesco on their routes? I have been shown the attendants route map which includes Crown road and St.Margarets road as far as Koblers bakery, but amazingly does not include tesco - some 10 seconds walk away!
Simon
Can you tell us exactly what these “improvements” might be – It will have to be something pretty amazing, as it seems that double yellow lines and a bus stop have had no effect on stopping people parking outside Tesco
And 191 penalty (which includes “warning” according to NCP) notices amounts to between 1.5 and 2 a day – Anyone standing outside Tesco can tell you that you would exceed that between 8.00 and 8.15 on almost any day of the week.
Also, what will the meeting with Tesco be about – can we please have an agenda
Personally, I feel very let down – I can only remind our new councilors of when they were photographed outside Tesco, and expressed outrage at what was happening
Before the last election, there were proposals (from the Council) to erect bollards along St Margarets Road to prevent parking/loading, and of imposing a weight restriction on the road – I never thought I would say it, but it seems to me that the Tories were actually proposing to do more
I can see no option but to step up the grass roots campaign, as I feel that the council is still failing miserably on this issue. I am sorry if you feel that you are doing something to improve the issue, but everything proposed has been tried, and failed before – I had hoped for some real action.
Nigel
Well, that's where we are at the moment - the plan seems to be to do as little as the Tories did, but let's give them a few weeks...
> Subject: RE: bus stop = tesco loading bay
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:59:42 +0100
> From: ...
> To: ...; ...; ...; ...
> CC: ...; ...; ...; ...; ...; ...
>
> Dear Elaine,
>
> Have asked about additional CCTV camera to monitor this but legally the only way people can be prosecuted for illegal parking in this situation is if it were a bus lane and there are no plans to do this in St Margaret's Road. I have asked the Council Officers if it is possible to write to vehicle owners whose licence plate has been captured on the existing camera and they are looking into this so I will get back to you.
>
> Regarding the other points sorry to hear you are disappointed but we haven't actually come back with a plan yet. I will confirm what is possible ref increased enforcement irrespective of previous experience. The Environment Directorate are seeking a meeting with senior Tesco executives to specifically talk about the St Margaret's site although this is a borough wide issue and not just Tesco. Once again when an agenda and date are agreed I will advise you. It is also the intention to make parking restrictions clearer to try and deter car drivers parking for a few minutes and as far as we are aware the bus companies have not complained about bus stop parking access.
>
> Will get back to you all when further useful information is available.
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Cllr Geoff Acton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elaine Capizzi [mailto:...]
> Sent: 30 August 2006 20:42
> To: ...; ...; Cllr Geoff Acton; Cllr Ben Khosa
> Cc: ...; ...; ...; Cllr Philip Morgan; ...; ...
> Subject: Re: bus stop = tesco loading bay
>
> I would also like to know why the issue of putting a CCTV camera in to cover
> the bus stop is not being considered. I do think this is becoming the only
> realistic sanction.
> Last weekend (despite the parking cones -- which Tesco apparently moved on
> to the pavement), every time I passed the site, I saw cars parked in the bus
> stop, on the double yellow lines, etc. At various times, I have also noticed
> delivery vans - making dleiveries to Tesco (but not with Tesco logos) parked
> on double yellow lines on either side of Broadway Avenue.
> Parking without a ticket/voucher is obviously a parking offence, but these
> practices constitute a conitinuing and very serious hazard to pedestrians,
> cyclists, motorists, bus passengers, etc. and should receive urgent
> attention as well as routine monitoring.
> Thanks
> Elaine
>
> >From: "simon chapman" <...>
> >To: "Nigel" <...>,"'Cllr Geoff Acton'"
> ><...>,"'Cllr Ben Khosa'"
> ><...>
> >CC: "'harry jacobs'"
> ><...>,<...>,"'Elaine Capizzi'"
> ><...>,"'Peter Mahnke'" <...>,"'Cllr Philip
> >Morgan'"
> ><...>,<...>,<...>
> >Subject: Re: bus stop = tesco loading bay
> >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:56:50 +0100
> >
> >Geoff,
> >Further to Nigel's reply, which I echo his comments:
> >
> >Over what period of time were the 191 notices issued and how many in that
> >time where issued in Crown road?
> >
> >Has the council ever asked tesco to pledge (in writing) that they will not
> >allow any lorry to use the bus stop or crossing as a waiting or loading
> >bay?
> >
> >I am totally not convinced that NCP patrol this area properly. Barry
> >Edwards and I recently had a discussion with a warden who said that very
> >few wardens in this area have tesco on their daily routes?
> >
> >Can we be assured that every warden that patrols Crown Road also has to
> >patrol the area outside tesco. Today we had three wardens in Crown Road at
> >one point - why can't we have just one outside tesco ?
> >
> >Also, we have just had three weekends of concert parking restrictions. What
> >did tesco do when the loading bay was suspended? - move the cones of
> >course.
> >
> >Simon.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Nigel
> > To: 'Cllr Geoff Acton' ; 'simon chapman' ; 'Cllr Ben Khosa'
> > Cc: 'harry jacobs' ; ... ; 'Elaine Capizzi' ; 'Peter
> >Mahnke' ; 'Cllr Philip Morgan' ; ...
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: bus stop = tesco loading bay
> >
> >
> > Can you tell us exactly what these "improvements" might be - It will
> >have to be something pretty amazing, as it seems that double yellow lines
> >and a bus stop have had no effect on stopping people parking outside Tesco
> >
> >
> >
> > And 191 penalty (which includes "warning" according to NCP) notices
> >amounts to between 1.5 and 2 a day - Anyone standing outside Tesco can tell
> >you that you would exceed that between 8.00 and 8.15 on almost any day of
> >the week.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, what will the meeting with Tesco be about - can we please have an
> >agenda
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, I feel very let down - I can only remind our new councilors
> >of when they were photographed outside Tesco, and expressed outrage at what
> >was happening
> >
> >
> >
> > Before the last election, there were proposals (from the Council) to
> >erect bollards along St Margarets Road to prevent parking/loading, and of
> >imposing a weight restriction on the road - I never thought I would say it,
> >but it seems to me that the Tories were actually proposing to do more
> >
> >
> >
> > I can see no option but to step up the grass roots campaign, as I feel
> >that the council is still failing miserably on this issue. I am sorry if
> >you feel that you are doing something to improve the issue, but everything
> >proposed has been tried, and failed before - I had hoped for some real
> >action.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: Cllr Geoff Acton [mailto:...]
> > Sent: 29 August 2006 16:23
> > To: simon chapman; Cllr Ben Khosa
> > Cc: harry jacobs; ...; Elaine Capizzi; Nigel Cannings;
> >Peter Mahnke; Cllr Philip Morgan
> > Subject: RE: bus stop = tesco loading bay
> >
> >
> >
> > Simon - the meeting held has resulted in the following taking into
> >account residents' suggestions:
> >
> > - improvements in parking signage being investigated
> >
> > - area to be carefully patrolled by NCP (191 penalty charge
> >notices so far being issued)
> >
> > - Transport Planning to meet Tesco in early Sep date tba
> >
> > - Legal Services to advise on ASBO issue
> >
> > Will get back to you when further information available. Incidentally we
> >are hoping the noticeboard will be installed soon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Geoff Acton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: simon chapman [mailto:...]
> > Sent: 13 August 2006 21:24
> > To: Cllr Ben Khosa
> > Cc: harry jacobs; ...; Elaine Capizzi; Nigel Cannings;
> >Peter Mahnke; Cllr Philip Morgan; Cllr Geoff Acton
> > Subject: bus stop = tesco loading bay
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> >
> >
> > Re: our conversation last week, regarding the worsening tesco situation
> >you said that the councillors were meeting to discuss the issue.
> >
> > Could you please update us on the outcome of your meeting?
> >
> > It seems that tesco head office continually give assurances to
> >councillors/council officers that they are 'good neighbours' but as the
> >attached pictures show they couldn't care less about St. Margarets. The
> >recent usage of the bus stop and crossing as a loading bay has been because
> >they have another of their own lorries using the loading bay. It seems to
> >me that the only way to resolve the situation is to 'hit tesco in their
> >pocket' if they break the law. The council should impose a fine of £1000
> >for any lorry unloading/waiting in the bus stop or better still why not ask
> >tesco to give the council a cast iron guarantee that they will not use the
> >crossing/bus stop as a waiting or loading bay and if they do they will
> >voluntarily donate £1000 to local charities. The C.C.T.V. camera could be
> >used to gather evidence.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, are you aware that the parking attendants that cover Crown road
> >and surrounding roads do not have tesco on their routes? I have been shown
> >the attendants route map which includes Crown road and St.Margarets road as
> >far as Koblers bakery, but amazingly does not include tesco - some 10
> >seconds walk away!
> >
> >
> >
> > Simon
>
>
>
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